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Richard Hammond (physicist)

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Does not satisfy either WP:NPROF or WP:GNG. Not a full professor. According to Web of Science, the h-index is 12 which is not enough for NPROF. The book has not received much notice either. No sources to build an article on, I could not even find him on the university website. The link at [1] is dead. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete The INSPIRE-HEP record gives an h-index of only 10, comparable to Web of Science and too low to stand out from the field. I could not find book reviews other than the one already included, apart from a couple webpages with no editorial practices that I could discern that can't be called WP:RS. So, neither WP:PROF nor WP:AUTHOR is satisfied. XOR'easter (talk) 00:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Harrison McMahon

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Fails WP:GNG, non-notable player JMHamo (talk) 23:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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The Wanderer in Bulgar

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Basically unreferenced, i.e., unverifiable from WP:RS - Altenmann >talk 23:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hayman Trophy

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This article has been added to WP:PROD three times, first on 1 October 2018 by both David Biddulph and Harrias; then by me yesterday. GB fan has advised me that it must go to AFD as there has been a previous PROD. The 2018 PRODs said: "No evidence of WP:Notability" (David) and "Appears to be a regional tournament without significant notability. Definitely not first-class, as claimed" (Harrias). In my PROD, I said: "Local event of no wider importance. Fails WP:GNG". I think all the PROD comments are valid and that this article should go. The tournament could perhaps be mentioned in Bihar Cricket Association. Batagur baska (talk) 14:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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The only stuff worth keeping is probably the first paragraph, which appears at least vaguely sourced. I doubt we need that paragraph as a stand alone article. This would probably be better off redirected to somewhere like Cricket in India I imagine Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I searched for Cricket in Bihar, only to find it is a disambiguation page! Batagur baska (talk) 21:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete. Per nom. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 00:14, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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• del unverifiable notability. - Altenmann >talk 23:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Yelling Settlement, Alabama

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Geolocates to a pair of grand-ish houses, but searching produces no explanation for the peculiar name or why the topos put a label here. Hard to see how this is a notable place. Mangoe (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: I came up with nothing searching the Wikipedia Library, etc. The 1921 topographic map doesn't show a "Yelling Settlement"; it appears starting in the 1940s a a few homes no clustered in any particular way. It's possible this may have been a freedmen's settlement shortly after the Civil War; in that case the community might have partially dissipated in the 50+ years before the first topo was printed. I found an interesting article about the black mayor of a small town nearby whose grandmother had grown up in Yellingville. If this was a freedman's settlement, it would be nice to have a good article about it but we don't have sources so far. Mangoe, thanks for flagging this one. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 20:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Findagrave.com is not a reliable source but this entry for Viney Morse Yelling gives some interesting information. Viney married "Aaron Yelling of Yellingville, located in Belforest, Baldwin County, Alabama." --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 20:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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• There was a county project a few years ago to get the names of all of the early settlers in Baldwin County, Alabama, and Louis Yelling's name is on the list against Yellingville. Unfortunately, said Louis Yelling also said "I am a resident of Daphne, Baldwin County, Alabama". I've checked several Baldwin histories, and there's nothing. This looks like an early Baldwin County settlement, many of which were not formally documented anyway, that has been lost to history.

  Our introduction to Malbis, Alabama does a truly terrible job of explaining one of the settlements around Daphne that was not lost to history.

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• del nn per WP:NGEO: no refs cited besides database. - Altenmann >talk 00:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Rizwan Sajan

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Rizwan Sajan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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In principle, wealth, revenue, and other size metrics do not make one notable. Possibly paid editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ InstaMalik (talk • contribs)

• comment Paid editing is not a reason for deletion. Although wealth, revenue, and other size metrics do not make one notable, the article seems to have lots of citations to sources which appear to be about the subject. It would be helpful if you could analyse those. Are they not about the subject? Are they not independent? For what reason do they not evidence WP:GNG? --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Article fails WP:GNG. DJ InstaMalik (talk) 13:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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  So a newly created account on same day with only 3 edits, that too only on this single article commenting here? Seems you are intentionally targeting this article. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

• Keep Passes WP:ANYBIO. Jeraxmoira (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm also contributing on Wiki from a long time, so I have little bit idea about the things and criteria for creating a Wiki article. It's not about his wealth or revenue, it's about his recognition by the UAE government, Forbes. (Citations given in article).

Almost sources are independent, still you think that I need to work more on this then I'm looking forward for your guidance on this. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Even the second account who placed {{Undisclosed paid}} tag, that user also has 5 edits only, seems fishy. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Calgarypuck

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Non-notable organization. Cannot find independent third party reliable sources to indicate that this web site passes WP:GNG, I found only passing mentions in a couple news articles, and mentions in blogs which do not establish notability. Flibirigit (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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del no verifiable notability. - Altenmann >talk 00:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Class (2010 TV series)

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Has lain unsourced for years AntiDionysius (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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Kandis Westmore

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Delete per WP:USCJN - [Magistrate judges] are.. "not inherently notable" and per consensus at WP:Articles for deletion/Margaret J. Schneider; 15 of the 34 citations on the page relate to two opinions she authored and verge on WP:CITEKILL Snickers2686 (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete: Found some passing mentions about this person, but not much more than that. Subject does not pass WP:JUDGE or WP:GNG. User:Let'srun 01:29, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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John M. Facciola

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Delete per WP:USCJN - [Magistrate judges] are.. "not inherently notable" and per consensus at WP:Articles for deletion/Margaret J. Schneider; very little sourcing for a biographical article Snickers2686 (talk) 21:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete: Found plenty of passing mentions about this person, but nothing substantial. Subject does not pass WP:JUDGE. User:Let'srun 01:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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Wirrn Isle

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Lack of significant coverage and failing to meet general notability guidelines. Previous AFD discussion did not sufficiently determine notability. There is a lack of reliable sources for this article online. Existing references do not determine notability. List reference to this article is at Doctor Who: The Monthly Adventures. Torpedoi (talk) 21:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete: Fails GNG. Ping me if WP:THREE WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV are found.  // Timothy :: talk  13:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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Spare Parts (audio drama)

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I am nominating this article due to a lack of significant coverage and failing to meet general notability guidelines. This is one of the more noted within the doctor who fandom and hence I have AFDed this instead of proposing it for deletion. I think there is a lack of reliable sources for this article online. List reference to this article is at Doctor Who: The Monthly Adventures. Torpedoi (talk) 20:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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The Curse of Davros

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Lack of significant coverage and failing to meet general notability guidelines. Previous AFD discussion did not sufficiently determine notability. There is a lack of reliable sources for this article online. Existing references do not determine notability. List reference to this article is at Doctor Who: The Monthly Adventures. Torpedoi (talk) 21:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Comment I'm looking up sources to see if we can get notability on this one, but British audio drama is a bit outside of my usual wheelhouse. I'll post the sources here for everyone's perusal. I'll start with reviews of the program: Unreality SF looks either RS or acceptable SPS given the author's credentials. Time Scales. Doc Oho Reviews looks like a blog. Winter Is Coming. Sci-Fi Online looks commercial. Sci-Fi Bulletin looks like it has potential. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
• Keep (very weak): meets GNG [2], [3].  // Timothy :: talk  13:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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Embassy of Saudi Arabia, Paris

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All 10 sources merely confirm previous ambassadors. There is no coverage of the actual embassy. LibStar (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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Orato

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Reads like an advertisement for the company, cites no sources other than own website, fails WP:SIRS DirtyHarry991 (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Sophocles Xinis

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The souring and content is just a few routing resume type facts and coverage of him being prosecuted fo a fraud type charge. North8000 (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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YPOPs!

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Fails WP:PRODUCT, complete lack of significant coverage. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 22:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Webz.io

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Fails WP:NCORP, WP:ORGIND, WP:SIRS. References are taken from company website as well as PR, interviews. scope_creep^Talk 22:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Soundscape Digital Technology

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Unsourced article for 15 years, an excessively detailed history of a sound/recording technology company. I can find a couple of 1990s articles online in a specialist magazine, but this wouldn't be sufficient to pass WP:NCORP these days. Time for this article to go? Sionk (talk) 22:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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  Keep per WP:NEXISTS. Ordinarily I prefer to add links to ill-sourced articles that are up for deletion before voting, but there's a disconnect here between the sourcing and the article itself. This article is about two things, the SSHDR1 and the company.

  The history stuff is unsourced (maybe scraped from somewhere, copyvio style, no obvious candidates) and probably would need to rely on primary sources. It seems a shame to lose all this information if it can be sourced. Mackie has published a number of press releases and company announcements (it's a listed company) which could help for verifiability.

  For notability, I think the extensive coverage of products over more than a decade would suffice. Here are a series of sources, there are more:

  • Sound on Sound profile of Soundscape R.Ed [4]
  • 1993 Music Technology Article on HDR system [5]
  • Audio Media magazine review of R.Ed (a reprint provided by the company but appears to be an independent review)[6]
  • Sound on Sound 1995 article with a few sentences on Soundscape systems [7]
  • Sound on Sound April 2006 review (post-Mackie) [8]
  • Making music with digital audio : direct to disk recording on the PC, book has multiple instances discussing Soundscape products [9]

  I would note that these were easily found, suggesting the nomination would have benefited from a better WP:BEFORE exercise. Sound on Sound is a specialty magazine, but its not a minor publication, and there are others.

  There are also two potential merge targets Soundscape_R.Ed and Soundscape SSHDR1 both of which are poorly sourced but several of these sources extensively discuss those products and would help save them from deletion. I'd be happy to see the three merged. Oblivy (talk) 02:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Alacritech

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Fails WP:SIRS, has not received significant coverage from reliable sources DirtyHarry991 (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Compass Maps

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Obscure map publisher, fails WP:SIRS and only cites company's website DirtyHarry991 (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Delete agree with nomination. This is an insignificant company that lacks any notability. Lack potential for an article. Paul H. (talk) 00:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Sylar

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The page is just a plot with little to establish notability, everything in the article is interviwews and episode reviews Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Provisional Keep If you add the qualifier "heroes" to the Google Scholar search, the first six entries appear to be independent, non-trivial scholarly sources--books and journal articles. If you can examine and rebut all at least five of them, I will consider changing my !vote. Jclemens (talk) 02:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Salimata Ndiaye

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The subject, a Senegalese women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found in my searches were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG (talk) 21:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Stephen Baysted

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Subjects fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Just another run-of-the-mill video game employee lacking in notability and failing to assert notability. As for reliable sources, he only has one outside this article, but that does not assert notability as well. Article has been created by the subject, a clear-cut COI case. Despite being PROD deleted in 2009, this article has since been recreated in 2011; despite this, issues still remains unaddressed since 2020.

This subject's bio is unsourced, nothing is except credits for his work consisting of those from official websites and IMDB, which is neither a reliable source. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Tomahawk Radio

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Defunct company which previously owned two radio stations in Bristol, UK. Does not appear to pass WP:NCORP and there is nothing here that cannot be included in the articles about the stations themselves. Coverage is very routine and deals with the basic facts of the company existing, buying and then selling on its two radio stations. Flip Format (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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One Gold Radio

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A small company that previously owned a single radio station in the UK. I'm not even sure what this article is trying to say - the "2011 changes" section seems to be very obscure insider stuff. I'm not seeing anything here to prove notability, and nothing is coming up on a search except for links back to this article and an unrelated internet radio station with the same name. Flip Format (talk) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Sean Cronin (Wisconsin politician)

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Fails the WP:GNG; failed congressional candidacy bolted onto a career as a small-market TV meteorologist does not qualify. I can't even verify where he worked in Springfield, Missouri, because his name turns up no hits in Springfield newspapers. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Donna Ryu

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Delete per WP:USCJN - [Magistrate judges] are.. "not inherently notable" and per consensus at WP:Articles for deletion/Margaret J. Schneider Snickers2686 (talk) 22:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete: Found some passing mentions about this person, but nothing more than that. Subject does not pass WP:JUDGE or WP:GNG. User:Let'srun 01:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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• KEEP - — Maile (talk) 03:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Maile66 why? JM (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  JM2023 are you asking because I didn't specify a reason? I did that deliberately, because I just didn't want to get into a round-robin discussion about "not inherently notable". Be that as it may, I think her overall body of work is impressive - at least, as far as the info given in this article. In particular, her work on behalf of "Coalition on Homelessness v. City and County of San Francisco". — Maile (talk) 23:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• keep the coverage in the Coalition on Homelessness case rises to the level of GNG. --Nouspleut (talk) 20:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

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Scott Alexander Hess

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Disputed draftification, which is why it is now at AfD. I am not persuaded he passes WP:NACTOR nor WP:NAUTHOR 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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David Penn (entrepreneur)

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WP:ADVERTISEMENT. Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [ User ] [ Talk ] [ Contributions ] 19:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete: Seems to have sold his real estate [10], but that's not enough for notability. Rest here is PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 19:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. Promo article from a UPE. scope_creep^Talk 19:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Meta Quest 4

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WP:TOOSOON Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [ User ] [ Talk ] [ Contributions ] 18:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Could also argue that it's also WP:RUMOUR Nonameafghan (talk) 18:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Move to draft or delete, I noted that this may be too soon and was struggling to find a way to re-word the article, but the sources are heavily speculative and until we have something more concrete, it's best not to have this in mainspace. ASUKITE 19:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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• Delete: this feels like cybersquatting. An article by this name will certainly exist at some point, but crediting the creator of this page will only encourage more wikisquatters to create likely future article titles with zero encyclopedic content. The author's editing history also suggests they might not be here for the right reasons. Owen× ☎ 01:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Kobla Ladzekpo

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At present, the article doesn't indicate that Kobla Ladzekpo meets NBIO, [WP:NMUSIC

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2007 Westmeath Senior Football Championship

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Unreferenced and seemingly incomplete for over a decade. There isn't any info on the results of the matches. Fails WP:NSPORT and WP:NEVENT, and isn't a top level competition. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 17:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Gansz Trophy

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV independent of the schools. Per WP:NOPAGE, this can be covered briefly at the articles for the respective schools. Let'srun (talk) 16:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Comment. At first glance, the coverage doesn't look too deep, but there's a lot of it. Haven't had a chance to review it all and make a decision, but here are some examples found in my WP:BEFORE search: [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]. Cbl62 (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Boston College–Virginia Tech football rivalry

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This subject does not meet the WP:NRIVALRY due to a lack of independent, secondary sources. A BEFORE check only came up with [[20]]. Let'srun (talk) 16:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete: Doesn't come close to meeting the high bar of NRIVALRY, and a blog post or two by bored sportswriters doesn't cut it either. Ravenswing 16:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I found these: [21] and [22]. Neither I would consider to be significant coverage, but the SI article might be indicative of some more WP:SIGCOV articles out there. Conyo14 (talk) 18:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Coverage of the rivalry from the web:
  • Boston College and Virginia Tech renew old rivalry in big stakes game from the Boston Herald
  • Virginia Tech-Boston College: The Best Rivalry You Don't Know About from Bleacher Report
  • Virginia Tech Vs. Boston College: The Unheralded Rivalry from the same
  • Rivalry Blooming Between Hokies, Eagles from The Washington Post
  • Virginia Tech vs. Boston College used to be rivalry from Boston.com
  • There's a lot more than meets the eye in the Virginia Tech-Boston College series from The Athletic
• BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  Probably should provide hesitancy to the WP:LOCAL of Boston sources. The Washington Post is quite the WP:SIGCOV Conyo14 (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

  The WP article is WP:SIGCOV. Not as convinced by the other sources (WP:LOCAL applies for the Boston based papers), although I can't access The Athletic article so that may also meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

  Able to access it now, and while it covers a few individual games in depth it appears that the 'series' never lasted long enough to qualify for NRIVALRY, as seen by the tone used. Let'srun (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Third Junior & Senior High School of Nihon University

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Non-Notable School, only one reference which is the schools own website, cited for expansion since 2019. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 16:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Akabira Station

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Non-notable Train Station, no references since 2011. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 16:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Keep, the Japanese article appears to have several sources and additional content that can be used to expand the English article. Garuda3 (talk) 16:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

The fact that it hasn't been improved for over a decade is an indicator that it wont be improved in the near future. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Why does it have to be improved, it would meet GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Improved includes adding the references to the article, as long as the references are not in the article it does not pass GNG. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep: The Japanese wiki article has a dozen sources and gives a rundown of the history of the station. Refs 1 and 5 in particular, then there are additional listings in the "further readings section" at the bottom. Oaktree b (talk) 18:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  They don't count unless included in the English Article, if you want to you can add them if no one adds them there is no point in having the article. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  AFD isn't clean up, the fact that there are sources that aren't here isn't a valid reason to delete the article Oaktree b (talk) 18:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  But the high probability of the article staying in it;s current state is. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 19:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep - It's clear that a WP:BEFORE search has not been conducted. AfD is not a venue for cleanup of substandard articles, it's a last resort. SounderBruce 19:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  When an article has been tagged for clean-up for over a decade the odds of it getting improved are next to none, In the Articles Current state it does not pass GNG. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 19:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep: Clearly passes GNG through sources in the Japanese article and WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 23:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Keep Article blatantly passes GNG per above voters, the references do not need to be in the article for the topic to meet GNG as per WP:NEXIST. Jumpytoo Talk 03:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Aboureihan High School

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Non-Notable school, no citations, WP:BEFORE found no reliable sources. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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14th High School in Wrocław

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Non-Notable school, only has one source which happens to be just a database. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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2nd High School in Wrocław

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Non-Notable school, only has one source which happens to be just a database, cited for needed refs since 2015, List of alumni does not follow the verifiability policy. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Benbrook Middle-High School

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Only 2 refs: first is a dead link, second has questionable reliability & is not Significant coverage. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Rural Health Workforce and The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

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Basically WP:ESSAY. Orphaned for a decade. PepperBeast (talk) 14:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete: I mean, it's not the worst essay I've ever seen, and the sources seem reliable, but in the absence of evidence that the "Rural Health Workforce and the PPACA" is a coherent subject of study in secondary sources, it's a misuse of Wikipedia.
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Delete it's an essay, not a Wikipedia article. JM (talk) 21:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

War of ideas

War of ideas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article is an essay that builds heavily on WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. The article is about a vague general term that overlaps with Propaganda, Political warfare, Information operations and Soft power. There was a deletion discussion in 2010 that resulted in a "Keep" verdict based primarily on arguments that there are sources out there that use the term "War of ideas". However, it seems pretty clear that while sources use the term, there is no coherent, consistent use of the term. It's also clear that the general ideas associated with the term are already covered in more clearly scoped articles for coherent concepts (such as Propaganda, Political warfare, Information operations and Soft power). Since the 2010 discussion, the fact that the article still looks like an WP:OR essay should make it clear that there is no consistent core concept or idea on which to build a proper encyclopedic article. There are therefore good reasons to reconsider the status of the article and in my view delete it. The mere existence of a general phrase does not mean it merits a Wikipedia article. The phrase "war of ideas" is similar to phrases such as "battle of wits" and "war of the wills", yet we would not accept creating an article for the latter two phrases, even if there are countless sources that use those phrases. Thenightaway (talk) 14:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Please fix the header Thanks 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Dogpiling (Internet)

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Fails WP:DICDEF. The mishmash collection of sources are about online harrassment in general, and at best mentions dogpiling in passing, failing WP:PASSING. Above all, it is not clear how dogpiling on the Internet is a distinct concept from when dogpiling occurs as a part of harrassment in a more enclosed group; a school setting, a workplace etc. (other than in scale, of course). Surely, dogpiling has existed in all social settings throughout history where you have a leader and others who latch on (examples from Greek Antiquity: ostracism, demagogue etc.).

The page even has an image, a staged picture showing a single derogatory message. A single message doesn't constitute dogpiling, and it only serves to highlight how confused this entry is. Geschichte (talk) 13:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Keep: PEN America ([23]), Social Media & Society ([24]), NPR affiliate KQED ([25]), and Media Defence ([26]) have all discussed this concept, among others. Sure, the term is often folded in with other forms of abuse in those pieces, and SAGE journals are often questionable, but that's just what I found in five minutes of Googling. The article definitely needs work but the concept has attention from secondary sources, and is sufficiently distinct from similar phenomena offline to be worth an article of its own. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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• Keep: I think this is a distinct phenomenon and there are enough potential sources that exist, even if they are not (yet) referenced in the article. I'll try and make a few improvements to the article when I have time, as I agree it's not in particularly good condition. I particularly enjoy the hilariously inappropriate image which fails to depict the one significant characteristic aspect of dogpiling [i.e. that multiple actors should be involved]. Akakievich (talk) 23:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: DICDEF, already exists on Wiktionary. Owen× ☎ 23:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment to the closing admin: I contend that WeirdNAnnoyed's sources are nowhere near enough to save this article, seeing as 1, 2 and 4 are passing mentions. In the latter, dogpiling is not even discussed in a full sentence, only a fragment of a sentence. Ref 3 is a personal account which does not have the gravitas in the encyclopedic context to support dogpiling as an encyclopedic subject. I also contend that Akakievich does not address the concerns voiced in the nomination text, i.e. that dictionary definitions are disallowed on Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 09:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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List of Adidas sponsorships

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Same reasons as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Puma sponsorships and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Asics sponsorships, primarily WP:OR, WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTADVERTISING Joseph2302 (talk) 12:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Keep. The reason I made this article was because back in 2007, the list was included in the Adidas-article itself (see here). For reasons of WP:UNDUE, I created a separate article for the sponsorships itself. When the "Sponsorships"-section of the main article gets bloated again (which happens from time tot time), we can cut it down easily, and referring to the sponsorship-article as the appropriate aplace to mention the sponsorships. When we lose that, my fear is that the Adidas-article will be a bloated mess again.

On top of that, WP:NOTADVERTISING says that [i]nformation about companies and products must be written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery. I cannot think of something more objective and unbiased than a list.

That said, I agree that the sourcing could be improved. But that's hardly a reason to delete an article with 32 references.

And for the record, please also see the previous AfD.

Regards, Jeff5102 (talk) 12:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Is this necessary? SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete: This is another clear cut case of WP:NOTPROMO and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Let'srun (talk) 16:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi

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A border line accept at WP:AFC with a passionate SPA creator. Not at all clear how they pass WP:GNG, apparently known for his role in the Khilafat Movement during the British Raj in Sindh, Pakistan, but the sources are not clear on what this role was, he managed a library and established the Sindh Provincial Khilafat Committee but these things are not inherently notable? Theroadislong (talk) 18:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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  Hi. I disagree with te deleting. I've added more references, including some in Urdu. I'm open to assisting with any issues and suggest using Google Translate for the non-English content to confirm. SaneFlint (talk) 09:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  Note: This opinion has been recorded formally lower down in the discussion. I am not striking it out. It is sufficient to draw the closer's attention to it 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  I trust editors will address the confirmation or translation of reference number 1,and 6 written in Urdu. Google translate might be helpful for that. SaneFlint (talk) 22:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment declined 12 times and rejected once, before being accepted at WP:AFC. Theroadislong (talk) 19:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: I have a firm personal policy of steadfast neutrality at articles I accepted at AFC. I follow the guidance that a draft must, in my view, have a better than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion process. This is not quite an immediate deletion process and I await the community's view. If kept, I will be pleased. If deleted, I will correct anything I feel needs to be corrected in my reviewing. Reviewers get better when their work is sent to AfD, which allows the community to decide as opposed to a single reviewer. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

• Contributors to this discussion will wish to note that the creating/major editor of the article is busy seeking to verify notability by use of references. I am not reviewing their work and therefore cannot comment upon it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

• Keep The academic paper Contributions of Allama Syed Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi Towards Religion and Education". suggests that the subject is found notable by (some) Islamic scholars. I don't read Urdu, so I'm at a disadvantage for most of the refs, but ref 6 also suggests notability. I think the article has all sorts of problems, but notability is not one of them. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• comment A before would also have found https://umm-ul-qura.org/2021/01/13/biography-of-shaykh-muhibullah-shah-rashdi/ from which:

The father of Shaykh Muhibullah, Shaykh Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi was a great and respected scholar, even King AbdulAziz had excellent relations with him and would exchange letters with him (as mentioned by Shaykh Muhibullah in his auto biography present in “Bahrul Ulum” p 41)

Allamah Sayid Sulayman Nadwi wrote: “Sayid Ihsanullah Shah (rah) was a great scholar of Hadith and its narrators. He had a treasure in his library of rare manuscripts of Hadith, Tafsir, and narrators (Rijaal). His yearning was such that he had copists busy in copying new manuscripts from manuscripts of west and east, Egypt and Shaam, Qustantiniyah (Turkey). He (rah) was a follower of the path of the Salaf and was distinguished in knowledge and action” -Tagishsimon (talk) 03:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Note: The quote you shared is from a self published website. Jeraxmoira (talk) 05:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Whilst working on the article I too found the source, but felt it didn't amount to significant coverage and was written in a hagiographic tone. Theroadislong (talk) 07:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Sources are allowed to be hagiographic. The point is that multiple sources are commenting on the subject. Jeraxmoira, meanwhile, is applying strictly western values to a Pakastani publishing company, which seems unhelpful. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure if you have checked it completely. It is posted by an 'admin' and there are no sources/ references to what is written on that website apart from his son's autobiography, "as mentioned by Shaykh Muhibullah in his auto biography present in “Bahrul Ulum” p 41". Their Facebook page is linked to an individual. Jeraxmoira (talk) 13:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

the number 1 reference and number 6 reference prove these article as well. Please take a look thank you so much SaneFlint (talk) 13:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I disagree with the deletion. I've added more references, including some in Urdu. I'm open to assisting with any issues and suggest using Google Translate for the non-English content to confirm.

I'm really trying hard to expend the great Wikipedia community to our region more closely thank you SaneFlint (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The above should be interpreted as an opinion to Keep the article. The editor lacks experience with our processes. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Let's collaborate to ensure clarity and find a resolution that works for all. SaneFlint (talk) 15:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• comment: I prefer not to vote as I've been extensively involved in this article, but I'd like to raise some points for other editors to consider. Here is my source assessment.

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://archive.org/details/6.syedAhsan	Journal entry			✔ Yes
https://archive.org/details/SufiSaintsAndStatePowerThePirsOfSind18431947BySarahAnsari		WP:RAJ British author and publisher		✘ No
https://www.aleeqaz.org/index.php/aleeqaz/article/view/140			Has no mention of BDP	✘ No
https://archive.org/details/YaadERaftaganByShaykhSyedSulaimanNadvir.a/page/n107/mode/2up			?	? Unknown
https://www.salafiri.com/biography-shaikh-muhibullah-shah-ar-rashidi-as-sindhi-1415h/		It looks like it has been copied from a library entry of an essay with no references backing the claims. [27]		✘ No
https://archive.org/details/MajallahBahrulUloomMuhaddisUlAsarNoMuhibullahShahRashdi_201502/page/n113/mode/2up			Not about BDP	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

• The article mentions that the BDP is notable for its connection to the Khilafat Movement, but I couldn't find any information on the Khilafat Movement Wikipedia page or in the articles linked to it.
• Lead mentions that he is an Islamic scholar but a WP:BEFORE on Google Books, scholar, JSTOR and newspaper returns with 0 results almost and I am not able to find primary sources of his works as well.

At this point [28] (not the assessment table above), Sources 1,2 and 4 are the same. 3 is unreliable per WP:RAJ and has no sigcov. 5 Only mentions BDP's father. 6 passes if someone can verify it. 8 is about BDP's son and not BDP themselves. Jeraxmoira (talk) 08:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jeraxmoira: while I agree with you on SIGCOV, I can't see how the book written in 1992 by Sarah F. D. Ansari, British Academy Postdoctoral Fellow, Royal Holloway and Bedford New College, University of London could possibly be considered unreliable under WP:RAJ. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The point I am trying to make is that any source that talks about an event/BLP during the Raj era should be peer reviewed Jeraxmoira (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, according to the Wikipedia biography of the author, it was reviewed by Michel Boivin (CNRS, Paris) in the Bulletin Critique Des Annales Islamologiques in 1998 and by Seema Alavi in The Indian Economic & Social History Review in 1993. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I have updated the table, thank you! Jeraxmoira (talk) 13:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Comment: @Fahads1982 and Faismeen: as members of Category:Translators ur-en with recent activity. Notability in this AfD may hinge on the first reference in the article, which is a book written in Urdu. Would you be able to check the references and establish whether there is WP:SIGCOV? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment The article does its subject no favours - it begins "Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi was an 19th century Islamic scholar" but the next section says he was born in 1896. The quote in the "death" section is mangled to make no sense. What were his actual achievements, beyond running a (private?) library? The Sarah Ansari book Sufi Saints and State Power: the Pirs of Sind, 1843-1947 (Cambridge, 1992) ought to be an excellent RS, bang on this very obscure area, but it is only used to ref the litigation with his brother. He has no article in any other language. Khilafat Movement lists two other books, from BRILL and Columbia, that ought to be RS & very much on this topic. Does he appear in either? Johnbod (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I've linked to him at Pir Jhando, where he seems to be mentioned (in a rather longer version of his name). Johnbod (talk) 18:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

A search on Sufi Saints and State Power for the subject and his father returns nothing apart from the litigation. Same on the Columbia book as well! Jeraxmoira (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

References like 1 and 2/6 are key sources in a urdu language, offering insights into his work and life. Sarah FD's book primarily centers on his father and a Privy Court case against him, SaneFlint (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment: @Mar4d: as a currently active editor who had added themselves to Wikipedia:Translators_available#Urdu-to-English: Notability in this AfD may hinge on several Urdu references in the article. Would you be able to check them to establish whether there is WP:SIGCOV? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Mar4d hasn't edited for 11 days, so I have gone ahead and accessed the first source (which most of the references rely on) through the Wikipedia Library, allowing me to download the 12 page PDF. I tried uploading it to Google Translate, which has a document translation facility, but this didn't work because the Urdu text is an image - it needs to be OCRed. I have been able to use Azure AI document intelligence to extract the Arabic script, and then used the translation facilities in Microsoft Word to translate the whole document. There are plenty mentions of the subject in the text - from what I can tell, most of the 12 pages of text is about him. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Could someone review references 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7? They contain crucial information mainly written in Urdu. Additionally, for more insights, consider searching for "Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi" سید احسان اللہ شاہ راشدی in Urdu, as there is an article on Urdu Wikipedia. Many websites also use his name in Urdu and Sindhi. It will help for more deeper results on Google as well. Thanks.🙂

سید احسان اللہ شاہ راشدی SaneFlint (talk) 16:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: What may make a difference to the outcome of this discussion is the publication on Commons of two files, currently displayed in the article. I am unable to translate them at all. Thus I present them without further comment, save that the author of the article states that they are part of a tribute, read out in 1923, to the subject of the article. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Timtrent: If you have the Google Translate app or Microsoft Translator on your smartphone, with the app open you can point your camera at your PC screen and it will translate the text from Urdu into English. Good luck understanding the result though, given the lack of context! Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  It says Things from Pir Rushdullah Shah Rashdi are now transfered to Ihsanullah aka Fazalullah. he's now a sajadah Nashin. A successor etc Some praising qasida with mentions of Darul Rashad Madirsah being first to be established in Sind and mentions about his jamaat etc hope it helps 🙂 SaneFlint (talk) 21:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Leters are NOT reliable independent sources and photographs of them are even less reliable. Theroadislong (talk) 21:30, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

This is absolutely correctly stated. I feel, though, it may shed some light into the reality. It is an interesting artefact, but not a reliable one as far as we are concerned. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

True. It just shed lights on a topic. I again request everyone to focus on references especially urdu ones to be checked. REF 1 was confirmed/ checked by @Curb Safe Charmer I hope other as ref 2 and 5 6 7 etc will be checked and confirmed too thanks 😊 SaneFlint (talk) 22:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I have yet to check that the statements cited to reference 1 are verifiable. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 22:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Confirmation was about subject name being mentioned or being there. 🙂

Please try to verify them your precious time will be appreciated 🙂 SaneFlint (talk) 07:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It looks like the discussion is ongoing regarding notability being established by Urdu-language references, so relisting to give more time to examine and discuss this as consensus as it stands is unclear.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aoidh (talk) 11:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Andy Tudor

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Subjects fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Just another run-of-the-mill video game employee lacking in notability that fails to assert notability besides being a non-notable musician. As for reliable sources, one source is through a paywall and is to promote a video game he was involved in, which I doubt highly asserts notability. The other is an announcement of his position as a director. The article has been created by COI editor who has since been banned for sock-puppetry, who since continues to ban-evade as an IP user. This has been dePRODded and recreated despite a successful PROD nomination in 2010 but was recreated in 2011; despite this, issues still remains unaddressed since 2017. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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  Thanks for this advice, done it since. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Society for the Study of the Native Land

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Almost certainly fails GNG. Also barely readable. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete Unreadable without a doubt. Will support draftification if anyone is willing to improve it. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 16:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Delete looks like a bad manual translation from Russian and isn't notable. JM (talk) 21:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Milasha Joseph

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Subject fails WP:GNG. The references I find are all from the same time period (within two weeks of each other) and read similar so likely an issue of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Only one that isn't is from Keralakaumudi Daily which I am unsure is reliable or not. Seven Summits have been attempted by many so not likely to obtain the significant coverage required for notability until after she completes it. CNMall41 (talk) 08:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom, WP:TOOSOON. Theroadislong (talk) 08:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, and per WP:NCLIMBER that warns on Seven Summits BLPs (i.e. people who are non-notable climbers using seven summits projects to generate publicity); wasn't aware of WP:NEWSORGINDIA but makes sense as there are several weak Indian climbing BLPs that have zero climbing notability but who somehow got coverage in Indian news media (e.g. Anil Vasave). Aszx5000 (talk) 17:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Adam Sandler (costume wearer)

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Doesn't seem to be particularly notable. I doubt that anyone would even come to here if it was for him sharing the name of a very famous actor. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 07:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Keep - there do appear to be fairly extensive sources discussing this person which seem to go beyond routine news. JMWt (talk) 07:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• I'd argue for delete. Although the sources are good newspapers with international weight, I feel they might be writing in local-newspaper mode about this, writing about an antisocial nuisance in their own city. I.e. it's local news covered by a newspaper that usually covers wider stuff. Basically the guy is an unpleasant minor criminal just like many, many other unpleasant minor criminals, and I'm not sure we owe him the advertising space for his unpleasant views. There is no real encyclopaedic reason why anyone would be interested in him. Elemimele (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Keep per above. JM (talk) 21:56, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Golden fantasy

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Largely an editorial thinkpiece making extensive use of WP:SYNTH and showing signs of WP:COAT. Sources appear scholarly, but are difficult to verify and don't seem to be primarily about the topic subject. BEFORE found one and only one article (paywalled) using the "golden fantasy" term in its title. This editor is not convinced, but would welcome a WP:HEY. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 07:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete: the term has been used in the psychoanalysis field, and the academic sources can be verified - here is the 1977 paper mentioned, and here is a 1986 one. But unless we can find any non-primary references to establish notability, I'm afraid it doesn't belong here. Owen× ☎ 19:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Arif Mehmood Alam

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Fails WP:NBIO, WP:1E.

Sources are either trivial coverage or non-WP:RS

• 1) Wikipedia mirror
• 2) Mentions event but not article subject
• 3) Forum post
• 4) Does not mention article subject
• 5) Trivial mention. WP:NOTNEWS coverage of his death. Information about article subject limited to the two sentences "Colonel Arif hailed from Punjab and was serving in the Frontier Works Organisation".
• 6) Literally same link as 5
• 7) Two sentence trivial coverage, and not WP:INDEPENDENT as a military PR wing
• 8) Again, coverage of the event, not the article subject. "FWO also lost one of his officers, Col. Arif Mehmood, during the excavation process." A412 (Talk • C) 06:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Keep: He was the commander of Attabad Lake Project officially hired by FWO Pakistan Army. He received Tamgha-e-Basalat and Tamgha-e-Imtiaz and Yaadgari Shield by Chief of the Army Staff (Pakistan) which you can check on ISPR official website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teeti7 (talk • contribs) 17:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Mongol invasion of Central Asia

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The existence of this article is essentially WP:SYNTH - it summarizes the events of two individually notable campaigns, but is not in itself notable, and it is not discussed as such in WP:RS. All the information in the article is summarized in either Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai or Mongol conquest of the Khwarazmian Empire; this should probably either be deleted or redirected to Mongol invasions and conquests. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Yes, this seems like a redundant, synthesized topic. Delete per nom. Withdrawn for now while I talk to the editor. The article has expanded and its purpose clarified since I originally voted, now fully for keeping. Remsense留 19:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 07:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: per above Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:SYNTH. An interesting case, though, as it is literally the opposite of a WP:POVFORK. Instead of splitting one subject, it takes two valid topics and attempts to artificially combine them into one. Maybe a POVSPOON? Cheers, Last1in (talk) 14:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• 'Keep or userfy as there is more to Mongol campaigns in Central Asia than just the summaries of these two campaigns, although they were the largest. The invasion of Cumania, for example. I'm actually in the process of creating some of that content. There is a need for an overarching treatment of how the specific campaigns all relate to each other. More directly to the issue, though, is that a quick search of "Mongol invasion of Central Asia" brings up multiple sources about the topic, not all of them about only the invasion of Khwarezmia. There's even at least two with that exact title. Here's some of the results: [29], [30], [31], [32], [33].--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 00:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I've greatly expanded the content to include other operations and campaigns in Central Asia. Should address the SYNTH issues.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 17:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. Your expansions to the article and comments above indicate that you believe a substantial portion of the "invasion of Central Asia" began before the commencement Mongol invasion of Khwarazmia in 1218—this is not supported by any of the sources you have provided:

• Islam 2016 states "a punitive action against the Kara-Khitai was the prelude to the all-out Mongol invasion of Central Asia in 1218–1219". The campaigns such as the invasion of Cumania are not mentioned in the article entitled "The Mongol Invasion of Central Asia", which is completely devoted to the invasion of Khwarazmia. It is clear that Islam's conception of the "Invasion of Central Asia" is just our article Mongol invasion of the Khwarazmian Empire under a different name, and completely unrelated to your conception of there being "more to Mongol campaigns in Central Asia than just the summaries of these two campaigns".
• Abasov 2008 is an entry from an encylopedia entitled "Historical Atlas Of Central Asia"—as such, many entries include the words "Central Asia" in their titles, but are described on WP under different names. See for instance the entry "The Arab Conquest of Central Asia" (on WP Muslim conquest of Transoxiana) or "Timur and the Timurid Empire in Central Asia (on WP Timur & Timurid Empire). Aside from that, it must be noted that Abasov, like Islam, states outright "In 1219, Genghis Khan invaded Central Asia"—again, he does not mention Cumania, or any other campaigns, clearly showing that he is just referring to the invasion of the Khwarazmian Empire.
• The academics.hamilton.edu source similarly states "The Mongols began their invasion of Central Asia in 1218... on a mission of vengeance against the ruler of Khwarezm"
• I am confused by your citations above to Biran 2009 and a Boundless World History textbook, as neither use the phrase "Invasion of Central Asia". Nevertheless, neither discusses events before 1216.

So to summarize, the sources explicitly titled "The Mongol Invasion of Central Asia" only discuss the Mongol invasion of the Khwarazmian Empire, while none of the five sources you have provided support the inclusion of sections on the "Destruction of the Merkit–Naiman alliance", the "Submission of the Uyghurs and Karluks", or the "Destruction of the Merkit–Kipchak alliance". As it stands, the article thus contains quite a bit more WP:SYNTH than before. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:56, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

what part of the world do those sections I added deal with? Geographic Central Asia. It is not SYNTH to mention campaigns that happened in Central Asia as part of a series of campaigns in Central Asia, especially when the argument in question is that there is nothing else that happened in Central Asia. The five sources above that I mentioned I listed before I created this new content. I did not cite them to support these additions. I added these additions because there are additional battles that happened in Central Asia, when the argument is that there wasn't anything else happening in Central Asia.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Here are some sources that include what I've added as part of Mongol activity in Central Asia: pages 8-10, [34], [35]--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

the argument in question is that there is nothing else that happened in Central Asia That is not the argument: as written in the deletion nomination above, the article is not in itself notable—sources do not discuss it as an entity, and to combine multiple sections on individually notable campaigns that are not explicitly connected by reliable sources is WP:SYNTH. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:03, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

You contended that the new content I added did not belong in this article. That's what I mean about arguing that nothing else occurred in Central Asia. They are explicitly connected, in the source material. One rolled into the next. The early mopping up of Merkit and Naiman opposition directly flowed into the conquest of Qara Khitai because Kuchlug seized the Qara Khitan throne. And then the Mongols were rubbing up against Khwarazm, which led to that conquest. This is reflected in many of the sources. And this source by one of the historians that I cite in the new content that I added explicitly says the preliminary expansion started in 1209.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 00:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, events flowing into each other is generally how time works. I don't think this getting anywhere productive, so I'll disengage and let the closer evaluate. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

If sources discuss all this happening, it isn't original synthesis. There's sources that include both the conquest of Qara Khitai and Khwarazm in descriptions of the Mongol conquest of Central Asia. And now I've provided sources showing that the other actions in geographic Central Asia are described as occurring in that part of the world, and now I've shown that there's at least one source connecting all of these other actions to the big campaign that was the conquest of Khwarazm. While the article still needs work, the concerns for why it is it is nominated for deletion are addressed. Editors are supposed to do their due diligence first and consult sources before nominating for deletion. I can see why the source material would be difficult to work through, but now it's provided, so the notability concerns don't hold water. And whatever remaining SYNTH concerns there might have been, the Timothy May article I linked to above clears those up. Deletion is not a substitute for cleanup. I'll be happy to clean up this article once I've finished the current project I'm working on. It just so happens through coincidence that my creation of articles related to the Mongol conquest of Siberia happened to also have a lot of pertinence to, and overlap with, the early Central Asian endeavors, so I had material relatively at the ready.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

3family6, non-leading question, could you articulate what additional value is contributed to the wiki by the existence of this article as opposed to all its pertinent information (in a future, complete version to your satisfaction) being contained in the other relevant articles? Remsense留 01:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

What is pertinent to having any over-arching articles about large, inter-related campaigns when we have articles about the constituent campaigns and battles of which they are comprised? We could get even larger - for instance, Anne Broadbridge mentions the "Western Campaign", which is basically everything west and southwest of Mongolia as opposed to the campaign against the Chinese states (note: I'm not saying that in this case we should, but that there's precedent in reliable sources to do so). It's useful for readers (which includes myself) to have articles that are broad summaries that show how a series of specific campaigns are related. Secondly, while some of the content I've added could have its own article, specifically the submission of Uyghur and Karluk states, and the Battle of Chem will have its own article, some of the content I don't think will ever merit its own article. It's more notable in how it relates to these other key events than stand-alone.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

The precise meaning of 'campaign' is key here. It may sound like a pedantic point, but is there any notion that the various central Asian campaigns were viewed at the time as being part of a larger 'campaign' as it were? Or is is simply a historiographical construction? I think an article could be viable either way, but it definitely affects what I think the focus and scale of the article should be. Remsense留 01:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

That's a great question. The conquest of Qara Khitai seems to be part of the same campaign as the initial operations in 1209 that followed-up Jochi's Siberian campaign, as it essentially is part of the "mopping up" of opposition factions that date back to the rise of Genghis Khan. And there's some historical speculation that the Uyghurs and Karluks submitted because the Mongols weren't in their territory just to pursue the Merkits. The part that's less clear is if Khwarazm was viewed as part of this. And I that depends on if there was always a plan to invade Khwarazm, and that's debated by historians. So it's a historical construction, but possibly reflective of how the Mongols saw it. After Khwarazm, it seems a lot clearer that the Mongols now saw the entire West as a possession of the imperial family and the respective campaigns were all part of securing that.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 12:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

could you articulate what additional value is contributed to the wiki by the existence of this article as opposed to all its pertinent information (in a future, complete version to your satisfaction) being contained in the other relevant articles? Remsense and AirshipJungleman29, I could see each of the sections I added being turned into an article, if they aren't already, and this article being converted into a reference article such as a dab or list article . I think there's value to having it in full article form, but I can see that as alternate option and I wouldn't be opposed to that.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

3family6, yes, I see it now, I'm going to reverse my original position now. Thanks for the answers! Remsense留 03:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I still don't see how any of that discussion solves what seems to be core issue. What need is there for 'an overarching treatment' of the various (apparently very distinct) campaigns? I am not seeing them treated as a unified concept in the sources. What am I missing? Can someone give a short (paragraph or less) explanation of that, please? I am not hard to persuade to keep an article, but I'm just not seeing how this is not WP:SYNTH and probably WP:OR. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 14:46, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

It's not original synthesis as there are no conclusions reached that aren't in the source material. I challenge editors to show where that is the case. The biggest issue I see is that most references to "Mongol invasion/conquest of Central Asia" refer to Khwarazm or both Qara Khitai and Khwarazm. But, given that 1) these other campaigns/operations also occurred in geographic Central Asia (where else could they be discussed? They aren't Europe or Siberia, although there's overlap. The securing of Xinjiang and surrounding area could be discussed in the invasions China, but if editors are opposing inclusion here, they'd have to oppose inclusion there, as well), and 2) there are academic sources to support both the submission of the Uyghurs and Karluks and the "mopping-up" campaign beginning in 1209. The sections on Qara Khitai and Khwarazm aren't cited, but that's a WP:V issue and there's plenty of sources to support that material that just aren't yet cited.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, I still don't see this either. I don't see how the sentence "Mongol expansion into Central Asia began in 1209" requires an entire article to be created on the "Mongol invasion of Central Asia", especially as the same author says differently elsewhere and two other sources define the "Mongol invasion of Central Asia" to be the Mongol invasion of the Khwarazmian Empire. If this article is kept, it has to be moved to something like "List of Mongol campaigns in Central Asia", as I did for the article formerly titled Mongol conquest of Siberia. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree that it should be moved to "Mongol campaigns in Central Asia". AirshipJungleman29, how would you categorize the minor 1209 campaign in Central Asia if it was created as it's own article? I.e., in the infobox, how would "part of the Mongol campaigns in Central Asia be incorrect, especially given that it can be cited to a source?--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

You have already created it as its own article: Battle of Irtysh River (13th century). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

At this point, I am not sure that even a merge to that subject is worthwhile. I am still firmly in the 'Delete' camp unless someone can explain why this is an encyclopaedic subject in itself and not a synthesis that artificially combines separate campaigns in a way that the scholarship does not support. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 16:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Scholarship does support it. There's debate as to whether or not Khwarazm was always the end goal after Qara Khitai, and whether it was a goal or not, if the Irghiz River skirmish was a one-off or the prelude to the invasion (which in part depends on when it happened - 1209 or 1219, which is also debated).-- 3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Keep per 3family6 and Remsense. And anyway, for the editors who want to delete it, why not just split it into separate articles and leave it as a list of the central asian campaigns? JM (talk) 06:56, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Keeping this as a list is another possibility if the consensus is to delete.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

JM2023, because we already have those articles (Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai and Mongol conquest of the Khwarazmian Empire), and we already have a list of Mongol invasions and conquests as well. As the nomination pointed out, this is essentially WP:SYNTH - it summarizes the events of two individually notable campaigns, but is not in itself notable, and it is not discussed as [a unique, separate topic] in WP:RS. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 23:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

List of all Formula One Grands Prix in order

List of all Formula One Grands Prix in order (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:LISTN and technically untenable on the longer term. Also an unnecessary content fork of the season articles. Tvx1 23:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. Essentially a content fork with no added independent value; there is nothing gained from this page compared to the season articles, which additionally include non-championship races. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 03:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
• Keep (updated primary recommendation based on concerns that merge target may grow too large) or Merge to List of Formula One Grands Prix. While this list meets the purpose criterion of WP:NLIST as an informational and navigational list and is also an acceptable WP:DIFFORK, I think a merge by WP:NOPAGE to page containing related lists probably makes sense. —siroχo 18:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  The purpose criterion is not a trump card to a list. Notability (or in this case lack thereof) cannot just be ignored. Also this is way too large (and increasing endlessly) to be actually of navigational and informational use. This is list also does not add any new information whatsoever to what already is present in other articles. As for merging with the other list, that would only make it worse size-wise and would go against a consensus achieved there no to include such lists there.Tvx1 21:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete as failing WP:NLIST and being a WP:CFORK. Listing GP this way has no value, indepedent of the season articles.06:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SSSB (talk • contribs)
• I'm leaning weak keep. I agree with Siroxo that this meets both WP:NLIST and is a totally acceptable WP:DIFFORK. The page is, however, a bit unwieldy. I'm not sure what content could be merged without ballooning the List of Formula One Grands Prix out of control.--Cerebral726 (talk) 14:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Can you actually substantiate that it meets WP:LISTN then? Notability doesn't exist because you say so. You need to prove it with acceptable sources.Tvx1 21:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  Specific examples:

  • Smith, Roger (2019). Formula 1 All The Races: The First 1000. Poundbury, England: Veloce Publishing. ISBN 978-1-787115-66-8.
  • The Formula One Record Book (2023): Grand Prix Results, Team & Driver Stats, All-Time Records
  • THE DAILY TELEGRAPH COMPLETE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FORMULA ONE by Bruce Jones

  Additionally to these, in a more general sense, the guidelines call for the subjects to be "discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Few things are discussed more in motorsports than the set of all time results of Formula One Grands Prix. Everything is always discussed in the context of the results dating back to 1950, such as milestone in this list always specifically mentioned in the news: [36][37][38] Cerebral726 (talk) 21:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  The three weblinks you provided don't "[discuss all F1 races] as a group or set". They talk about one event in isolation just because it happens to represent a milestone in the sport's history (500th, 900th and 1100th races). That is not the same thing. SSSB (talk) 21:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  What’s your opinion on the 3 other sources I provided? Cerebral726 (talk) 04:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  That it is very hard to gauge the relevance of those books because I don't know a) the accuracy of the claim of "complete encyclopedia" or b) the depth of detail or c) (linked to b and a) if these books discuss them as a set or discuss them independently but all of them. What I would say is that these are three WP:FANCRUFT books. We shouldn't be keeping a list for WP:FANCRUFT reasons. SSSB (talk) 07:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  I would rather say those books fall under WP:ROUTINE coverage and don’t establish notability. Of course the basic results will be covered somewhere.Tvx1 13:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep based on its usefulness as a navigation tool meeting WP:CLN/AOAL.  // Timothy :: talk  17:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  Not a valid argument per WP:USEFUL. This has nothing to do with policies or guidelines, but is pure personal opinion. The season articles are much more “useful” for this purpose.Tvx1 21:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  I believe Timothy was fairly clear that they are not saying the article is merely useful without any justification, as a personal opinion. They cite WP:CNL and WP:AOAL as reasons why they are useful as a navigation tool and thus encyclopedic, which is an argument that further builds upon arguments already presented above. Cerebral726 (talk) 21:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  None of these trump WP:LISTN, which isn’t satisfied here.Tvx1 19:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Also, I do not see how this fancruft article is going to be any use to anybody but the most obsessed F1 stans. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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Peninsula Youth Orchestra, Newport News,VA

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Does not seem to meet notability requirements (all four links in the article are dead). In addition, no major edits to the article have been made since 2018 Saltyeg (talk) 05:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Comment Just curious. Saltyeg, that you nominated this article for deletion with your first edit with this account. Very unusual that you would even know about AFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: on the fence here; they seemingly have a lot of magazine/newspaper coverage, but it all seems to be mostly brief mentions. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 15:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Dragon Hill Lodge

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This doesn't appear to meet WP:N. Possible ATD is a merge/redirect to Yongsan Garrison article, but I think that may unbalance the garrison article unduly. Boleyn (talk) 11:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Golden Public School, Gajsinghpur

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